In patients with tachypnea, hyperpnea, AMS and clear lungs
In the presence of an anion gap metabolic acidosis with a respiratory alkalosis
Treat salicylate toxicity by alkalinizing the blood and urine to increase excretion
Avoid intubation until absolutely necessary. If you do have to intubate, minimize apneic time and consider awake intubation and nake sure your ventilator settings match the patient’s necessary high minute ventilation
Think about chronic salicylate toxicity in unexplained altered mental status, tachypnea or metabolic acidosis in elderly
Know indications for hemodialysis in salicylate toxic patients
Hello,
I thought the rise in the pH when you give Bicarbonate can only happen if the patient is able to blow out the excess CO2 produced by the Bicarbonate. If the patient is already maximally hyperventilating we would probably not see a rise in the pH, especially before intubation with the associated hypoventilation/apnea.
What did i miss?
A paper by John Sackles was mentionned. Did I miss the link in the show notes?
Thank you very much for the great podcasts!
Just added the Sackles (actually Mosier et al) to the shownotes. Thanks for pointing that out.
I agree that a bicarb push is unlikely to significantly effect pH in this situation. In salicylism, bicarb has other uses in management with alkalinizing the urine so not unreasonable to use but your assertions here are correct.
Thanks for the comments!
Jenny mentions that salicylates stimulate the respiratory drive, leading to metabolic alkalosis but I think she meant to say respiratory alkalosis 🙂
Absolutely. We updated the audio so hopefully, you can get the correct one if you refresh it now. Thanks!
Hello,
I thought the rise in the pH when you give Bicarbonate can only happen if the patient is able to blow out the excess CO2 produced by the Bicarbonate. If the patient is already maximally hyperventilating we would probably not see a rise in the pH, especially before intubation with the associated hypoventilation/apnea.
What did i miss?
A paper by John Sackles was mentionned. Did I miss the link in the show notes?
Thank you very much for the great podcasts!
Just added the Sackles (actually Mosier et al) to the shownotes. Thanks for pointing that out.
I agree that a bicarb push is unlikely to significantly effect pH in this situation. In salicylism, bicarb has other uses in management with alkalinizing the urine so not unreasonable to use but your assertions here are correct.
Thanks for the comments!